About Amerisurv| Contact    
Magazine | Newsletter    
Flickr Photos | Advertise    
HomeNewsNewsletterAmerisurv DirectoryJobsStoreAuthorsHistoryArchivesBlogVideosEvents
 
advertisement


Subscriptions
Sponsored By

Software Reviews
Continuing Series
     RTN
An RTN expert provides everything you need to know about network-corrected real-time GNSS observations.
Click Here to begin the series,
or view the Article PDF's Here
76-PageFlip Compilation
of the entire series
Test Yourself

Got Answers?
Test your knowledge with NCEES-level questions.
  Start HERE
Meet the Authors
Check out our fine lineup of writers. Each an expert in his or her field.
Wow Factor
Sponsored By


Product Reviews
Partner Sites

machinecontrolonline 


lbszone.com

GISuser.com

GeoJobs.biz

GeoLearn

 

Spatial Media LLC properties

Associates

ASPRS

newsnow 

Home arrow Archives   The American Surveyor     

FeedBack Print E-mail
Written by Letters to the Editor   
Friday, 02 January 2009

A 148Kb PDF of this article as it appeared in the magazine—complete with images—is available by clicking HERE

Boundary Agreements
Regarding Joel Leininger's article "Boundaries by Acquiescence," [Oct. 2008], there is one sure-fire method that surveyors can use to permanently fix any boundary that may have been established by acquiescence or that is otherwise ambiguous, provided the adjoining landowners are willing to go along. It is a written boundary agreement. In the years I surveyed, when we encountered a situation in which the evidence for the location of a boundary was vague, ambiguous, nonexistent, or there were overlapping descriptions, we did not hesitate to explain the matter to the adjoining landowners, show them the evidence, and suggest they agree on a boundary. In about 95% of the situations they readily agreed on a line, we monumented it, and drew up a simple boundary agreement that they signed. The agreement was witnessed and notarized. We usually put the agreement directly on the plat. We made sure the plat with the agreement was recorded in the courthouse and indexed under each party's name so that later surveyors would find it. In the roughly 5% of the situations in which the adjoining landowners would not agree, we simply showed the conditions on the plat as we found them and put a note about the ambiguities.

In one area where I used to work, for the majority of parcels of land, there were no monuments on the ground and the recorded plats were so poor that they were practically useless for determining boundaries. The only things that could be relied on were possession lines. For probably a third of the surveys we did in that area we obtained boundary agreements for one or more of the lines. For some tracts we had to get boundary agreements all the way around. As a surveyor, I am thankful for the principles of boundary establishment by acquiescence and adverse possession. It makes it easier to obtain boundary agreements. In many situations adjoining landowners have mutually recognized an old fence or other possession line as far back as anyone can remember. It is usually easy to get them to agree to that as the boundary.

Some surveyors contend I am practicing law by drawing up boundary agreements. There are no judicial decisions on the matter, but I've discussed it with attorneys. They have been unanimous that boundary agreements are within the scope of surveying and have added that they encourage surveyors to get boundary agreements because it makes their work easier. By now probably a couple of hundred of our plats with boundary agreements on them have appeared on record in several counties. No attorney has ever raised the least objection.
Farris Cadle, LS
Via the Internet


The Likability Factor
Joel Leininger pointed out some of the practical problems of surveying for relatives. As an attorney who practiced boundary disputes almost exclusively during my career, I have one to add.

Assume you have performed a retracement for your sister and your conclusions coincide exactly with her conviction as to where the true line is. The neighbor's surveyor reached a conflicting position. Now, try to convince yourself that a jury will believe you were completely objective when you ran the line and that you really, truly believe with all your heart and soul that she owns that sliver of land in dispute. On a close call, a jury could easily let the relationship become the factor that decides which direction the scales of justice will tip. In that instance, you have done her no favors.

By the way, in a boundary dispute, always try to persuade your client and the attorney to try the case before the court without a jury. I learned early in my career that the outcome of many boundary trials depends more on extraneous factors--the likability of the client, or the surveyor, or the attorney, for example-- than on evidence and law.
Bud Salyer, JD
Morehead, KY
Via the Internet


One Good Deed Deserves Another
In response to "Relatively Speaking," by Joel Leininger [Nov. 2008], I have done numerous surveys for relatives in the past. One was for an uncle who wanted to purchase 14 acres from my dad to help pay bills while undergoing cancer treatment. I researched the land owned by my parents, as well as land belonging to another aunt and uncle who lived west of my parents, and my own (I live east of my parents). After doing all the boundary research I found that somewhere in the past, the deeds all began about 100 feet east of where everything was currently occupied. I also discovered that my parents' 14-acre tract (the west line being a sixteenth section line) was being occupied at some obscure angle. The northwest corner of the farm checked out just fine, but the fence line ran southwesterly. This west line was supposed to also be the west line of my aunt and uncle's property. To say the least, the true sixteenth line ran through my parent's barn and through my aunt and uncle's shed, with their house completely on a neighbor's farm. My parents' property extended across the front of my property into the middle of what I had thought was my front yard.

It became very apparent that there was really no survey work done in the past when this was all farmland. The previous owners had done their own measuring as they gave parcels to their children and cut the farm up from their own house. Through the years these tracts were sold off.

My parents, aunt and uncle, and myself were now left with a headache to straighten out. I personally talked with the adjacent farmer and showed him drawings as to what had happened. He told me that what he farmed was what he had bought and he didn't want any of my parents' or aunt and uncle's property. I asked if he would be willing to have my parents sign deeds over to him and his wife for all the property that they owned, then have him turn around and sign deeds describing exactly what my parents, aunt and uncle, and I owned to help us straighten out this mess. He said he was willing to do so, as long as his fence line along the land belonging to my parents and aunt and uncle wouldn't change and it wouldn't cost him anything.

In short, this is what we did. We all signed over our property to him, and in turn, he signed deeds over so that everyone had title to what we had been using all these years.

This is a good circumstance where I wouldn't have wanted anyone else to survey this one out. Everyone was happy they had me to rely upon to help straighten out the mess. In the years since, I purchased the 14 acres from my uncle to add to my tract. My dad and uncle on the other side of my parents have since passed away, but they left knowing their property was secured for their children.
Darrall R. Hirtz, PE, LS
Sikeston, MO
Via the Internet


Got some feedback? We always enjoy hearing from our readers. You can contact us via our website at www.amerisurv.com, or send a letter to: The American Surveyor, P.O. Box 4162, Frederick, MD 217054162. We reserve the right to edit letters for clarity and length. Due to the variety of titles used by licensed surveyors throughout the U.S., we use the title LS after the name of any registered land surveyor.

A 148Kb PDF of this article as it appeared in the magazine—complete with images—is available by clicking HERE

 
< Prev   Next >

 American Surveyor Recent Articles
Editorial 
Thought Leader: Land is Too Important to Be Left to Land Specialists
A while back I was searching the Internet for an old treatise on land titles. A Google query yielded a book published in 1914. The author was Charles Claudius Kagey and the book was titled "Land Survey and Land Titles, a book for boys and girls, a reference volume for property owners, a text ....
Read the Article
Jason E. Foose, PS 
Decided Guidance: Wacker vs. Price - Irony in Sevenfold
This month's case takes us to Phoenix, Arizona in 1950. The Arizona Supreme Court went all guns-a-blazin' in Wacker vs. Price (216 P.2d 707 (Ariz. 1950)). Maybe it's just me, but I'm sensing plenty of irony and have taken license to point it out along the way. I like what the Court did with this case ....
Read the Article
Allen E. Cheves 
Around the Bend - A Visit to Carlson Software
The Ohio River is one of America's greatest, running near 1,000 miles between Pittsburgh and the Mighty Mississippi. Much of the coal and other products that fueled our nation's industrial expansion flowed between the shores of this maritime ....
Read the Article
Lee Lovell, PS 
Surveying & Mapping Economics Part 3 - Customers & Services
This article continues an inquiry into the economic conditions of the Surveying and Mapping industry (NAICS 541370) using data from the U.S. Census Bureau. This time we will look at customers and services. The data comes from the Economic Census conducted every 5 years on American ....
Read the Article
Jerry Penry, PS 
True Elevation: Black Elk Peak
Black Elk Peak, located in the Black Hills region of South Dakota, is the state's highest natural point. It is frequently referred to as the highest summit in the United States east of the Rocky Mountains. Two other peaks, Guadalupe Peak in Texas and ....
Read the Article
Larry Trojak 
Bringing The Goods - Mobile Scanning an Integral Component
When Jim Smith, Jerrad Burns and Charlie Patton left the Memphis division of a major construction company in 2015, they took with them the knowledge of how to get even the most complex jobs done and what equipment could best serve them in making that happen. So when they joined West ....
Read the Article
 
Lee Lovell, PS 
Test Yourself 41: Integers, Integers, and Integers
ABF is a 5:12:13 triangle, ACF is a 48:55:73 triangle, ADF is a 3:4:5 triangle, and AEF is a 7:24:25 triangle, all with integer sides and inscribed in a semi-circle. What are the lengths of BC, CD, and DE? ....
Read the Article
Wendy Lathrop, PS, CFM 
Vantage Point: Sunset or Sunrise?
While we often think of legislated government programs as static, they do change over time. Such evolution and opportunity for transformation are part of the dialogue in reauthorizing these programs. Every so many years there is a sunset on each government program, and this September is the ....
Read the Article
 

deliciousrssnewsletterlinkedinfacebooktwitter

Amerisurv Exclusive Online-only Article ticker
Featured Amerisurv Events
List Your Event Here
please
contact Amerisurv


Google
 
AMERISURV TOP NEWS

JAVAD Intros
Spoofer Buster

GOT NEWS? Send To
press [at] amerisurv.com
Online Internet Content

Sponsor


News Feeds

 
Subscribe to Amerisurv news & updates via RSS or get our Feedburn
xml feed

Need Help? See this RSS Tutorial

Historic Maps
Careers

post a job
Reach our audience of Professional land surveyors and Geo-Technology professionals with your GeoJobs career ad. Feel free to contact us if you need additional information.

 

Social Bookmarks

Amerisurv on Facebook 

Amerisurv LinkedIn Group 

Amerisurv Flickr Photos 

Amerisurv videos on YouTube 

twitter

 




The American Surveyor © All rights reserved / Privacy Statement
Spatial Media LLC
905 W 7th St #331
Frederick MD 21701
301-620-0784
301-695-1538 - fax